Etat réel de l'industrie spatiale russe ?

Anubis a écrit:Ce n'est pas en limogeant des responsables qu'ils vont régler le problème mais plutôt investissant dans le contrôle de la qualité des composantes. Pour avoir des lanceurs fiables il faut y mettre le prix. Le contrôle de la qualité est tellement médiocre q'Arianespace est obligé d'ajouter des couches supplémentaires d'inspections pour les Soyouz en Guyane.

Anubis a écrit: Le contrôle de la qualité est tellement médiocre q'Arianespace est obligé d'ajouter des couches supplémentaires d'inspections pour les Soyouz en Guyane.

29.12.2011 / 16:32 Strategy for development of space industry will bring to the Cabinet within 50 days


Federal Space Agency within 50 days will bring in the government strategy for the development of space industry till 2030 and beyond.
"In response to the request (vice premier), Dmitry Rogozin, and order (Prime Minister) Vladimir Putin us to develop a strategy of development of space industry 2030 years and beyond "- told reporters the head of Russian Federal Space Agency Vladimir Popovkin on Thursday after a meeting with Rogozin.
In turn, Rogozin, who oversees the activities of government Federal Space Agency, said that the document will be submitted within 50 days.
"We agreed that after 50 days I will be introduced document to be submitted to the Prime Minister, a document that will be associated with the doctrine of the Russian Space 2030 "- said Rogozin.
"If we do not look beyond the horizon, we will lose a lot - from personnel to technology," - he said.
Popovkin said that the strategy will include, in particular, problems in basic research, the use of space for socio-economic development, RIA Novosti reported. -

29.12.2011 / 16:32 Rogozin requested by January 25, to report on accidents in space


Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin, who oversees the government defense industry and in particular the activities of Russian Space Agency, instructed the head of department Vladimir Popovkin until January 25 to complete the verification in connection with the accident that took place in the cosmos, and to report, RIA Novosti reported.

patchfree a écrit:Le nouveau vive-premier ministre chargé de superviser le complexe militaro industriel (D Rogozin).....

Astro-notes a écrit:

patchfree a écrit:Le nouveau vive-premier ministre chargé de superviser le complexe militaro industriel (D Rogozin).....

Oh patchfree tu ne nous l'as pas faite celle là ! :drunken:

Ah, ces fêtes de fin d'année !

patchfree a écrit:

Astro-notes a écrit:

patchfree a écrit:Le nouveau vive-premier ministre chargé de superviser le complexe militaro industriel (D Rogozin).....

Oh patchfree tu ne nous l'as pas faite celle là ! :drunken:

Ah, ces fêtes de fin d'année !

Bah si! Je suis pas...vif en ce moment (grosse crève, heureusement je suis en vacances).

Exocet a écrit:Il y a quelques semaines, j'aurais dit qu'il n'y avait rien à craindre et que celle-ci était solide et pérenne.
Là, je commence sérieusement à m'inquiéter. J'espère que les Russes vont reprendre sérieusement les choses en main et pas en punissant quelques lampistes. Le malaise semble bien réel et les causes plus profondes ...

Anubis a écrit:L'enquête russe (...) a démontré que la principale raison de ces échecs était dû directement à des négligences de certains employés

nikolai39 a écrit:

Anubis a écrit:L'enquête russe (...) a démontré que la principale raison de ces échecs était dû directement à des négligences de certains employés

Dans le spatial russe comme dans beaucoup d'autres industries de beaucoup d'autres pays, cet argument est un bon moyen de dédouaner les responsables, et il évite d'avoir à admettre que les organisations sont défaillantes.

Giwa a écrit:
... et si la vodka y était pour quelque chose ?

04.02.2012 / 00:05 Head of Russian Federal Space Agency opposed the personnel purges in the industry

Head of Russian Federal Space Agency Vladimir Popovkin against human cleansing in the space industry, despite the series of setbacks with the launching, RIA Novosti reported.
"I am against the purges. first step we have already begun to do. We first divide the positions (CEO and Chief Designer of the industry) , and then decide who to leave some positions, "- said Popovkin the TV channel" Russia 24 ".
"If we have for every mistake will be punished, people will simply leave. We, on the contrary, the problem of attracting staff (in industry) and if we will all be punished, it will scare young professionals "- the head of the Russian Space Agency.
According to him, one of the causes of recent accidents in space is the human factor. "Our average age in the industry was 45 years earlier. But as the nineties are gone, experts were more mature, and the young have gone to where the money is" - said Popovkin.
According to him, "the second the human factor - who turned out to be a guide" .
"It so happened that while the leadership of the industry, it was decided to combine the CEO and the number of enterprises genkonstruktora to enterprise collapsed. But today the situation when at the helm of a number of companies are those who can not reconcile these positions. To be the chief designer, you need a different mindset. So we had to decide on the division of these positions to the company were profitable, "- said the head of the Russian Space Agency.

MOSCOW, February 24 - RIA Novosti. A series of cosmic accidents that happened recently in Russia, is not associated with the change management industry, said Friday the former head of the Russian Aerospace Agency and now chairman of the Scientific and Technical Council, "Russian Technologies" Yuri Koptev.

He led the commission to investigate the causes of the accident interplanetary station "Phobos-Grunt", which fell into the Pacific Ocean in mid-January.

"It is not necessary to associate a change of leadership with cosmic accidents. It should be understood that any complex, which flew in the last year, was created in about 1.5-2 years, and being laid in 2009-2010," - said in an interview with radio station Koptev "Echo of Moscow".

He said that the space industry since the collapse of the Soviet Union until about 2002 was going through a difficult period when its development is not to invest. "Today, the space industry for more than 70% amortized those facilities that we have. Level of equipment, which is less than 10 years, is less than 10%", - said the expert.

Koptev noted that today there is practically no industry enterprises of young professionals, the average age - 45 years. In addition, reduced their number - if it had 970 000 employees, now there are 234,000 people.

"Last year was the (industry) failed. If we take the December 2010 accident. Six accidents - quite a lot. Can not say that they all came for one reason. There are issues related to manufacturing defects, there are errors of designers, there are consequences of the situation which exists even today in the aerospace industry, "- he said.

Fifth in December 2010 had been lost three staff who were to complete the formation of the Russian global navigation system GLONASS. However, satellites in orbit were not - after the successful launch of Block DM-03 production RKK "Energy" with them, fell into the Pacific Ocean.

First in February 2011 military satellite, "Geo-IK-2", launched on a rocket-carrier "Rokot", at the estimated time is not on the phone, and later discovered an unplanned orbit. Missile launches "Rokot" were then suspended until the circumstances failed launch.

Eighteenth-August 2011 are not available on the phone at the estimated time of the latest communications satellite "Express-AM4." Launch and flight rocket "Proton-M" have been normally. However, during the orbital flight of the block in the upper stage and spacecraft crashed in the management of the upper stage "Breeze-M", with the result that the satellite was launched into an unplanned orbit.

In August 2011 launch of the cargo "Progress" for the first time in more than thirty-year history of these ships ended in failure. Launch vehicle "Soyuz-U" with a space truck "Progress M-12M", which was carrying to the International Space Station (ISS) products, water and equipment, started on August 24 from the Baikonur Cosmodrome. 325 seconds of flight, there was an infringement of the propulsion system, which led to its accidental disconnection. As a result, the ship crashed in the Altai Mountains.

Interplanetary station "Phobos-Grunt", designed to deliver soil samples from the Martian satellite Phobos, has successfully launched November 9, 2011, went into orbit, but the sustainer propulsion system is not joined and could not move the device to the trajectory of flight to the Red Planet. "Phobos-Grunt" remained in low-Earth orbit, to establish a connection with him for a long time without success. Fifteenth January 2012 of the probe fragments fell to Earth in the Pacific.

The launch of dual-use "Meridian" December 23, 2011 from the cosmodrome "Plesetsk" ended in failure - the spacecraft did not go into orbit, its fragments fell into Siberia.

29.02.2012 / 00:05 Samara Space Rocket Center "TsSKB-Progress" to optimize the number of employees, cutting about 500 people

Samara Space Rocket Center "TsSKB-Progress" optimizes its staff, cutting up to July this year, about 500 employees, ARMS-TASS reports. This was reported in the press-service "TsSKB-Progress", commenting appeared in the media about the alleged statement of the planned staff reductions in many thousands of rocket and space center.
"The total number of employees who will be fired in May and June of this year on personal statements, agreements of the parties and the reduction of personnel, amount to about 500 people, representing 2.3 percent of the total number of employees" TsSKB-Progress "- the press service companies, stressing that "further layoffs by the administration until 2015 is not planned."
Optimizing the number of staff due to the planned production volumes and a reduction in overhead and provides a reduction in the number of redundant workers in non-industrial units of the sphere. Reduce design departments, and even more so the transfer of their functions in the other region is not planned. In addition, currently the company is working to rejuvenate the workforce. In this regard, the administration proposes to employees over the age of 70 years to conclude an agreement between the parties to sever the employment relationship with the payment of three monthly salaries.

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La Russie doit devenir leader dans le domaine de l'espace, et se débarrasser de son rôle de transporteur spatial, a annoncé samedi aux journalistes le vice-premier ministre russe Dmitri Rogozine.
"Nous n'avons qu'un but, celui d'atteindre la suprématie en matière spatiale, d'abandonner notre rôle, même très réussi, de simple transporteur, et de devenir un pays qui ne devra plus jamais devoir rattraper les autres, mais qui au contraire suscitera de la jalousie chez nos partenaires influents", a déclaré le responsable lors d'une visite au Centre Khrounitchev, constructeur public de fusées et de véhicules spatiaux.
Selon M.Rogozine, la Russie nourrit des grands projets concernant le futur cosmodrome de Vostochny, actuellement en construction dans la région russe de l'Amour (Extrême-Orient). Les autorités russes veulent que cette base spatiale permette au pays de devenir indépendant en terme d'exploration spatiale, la Russie louant à présent le cosmodrome soviétique de Baïkonour, situé au Kazakhstan.

Anubis a écrit: devenir un pays qui ne devra plus jamais devoir rattraper les autres, mais qui au contraire suscitera de la jalousie chez nos partenaires influents",

Spoiler:

montmein69 a écrit:

se la pêter un tantinet devant les voisins .... :suspect:

On sait comment cela débute ... on ne ne sait pas où cela finit :affraid:

patchfree a écrit:...
Ah si on voit: regarde le petit Nicolas... :bounce1:

Giwa a écrit:Il faut se méfier des traductions : le mot "jalousie " n’est-il pas à prendre dans le sens de "considération " ?
Donc : "...suscitera de la considération chez nos partenaires influents "
Le texte ne parle d'adversaires ou de rivales, mais de partenaires et cela me paraîtrait plus en adéquation.

Giwa a écrit:

patchfree a écrit:...
Ah si on voit: regarde le petit Nicolas...

Curieux que j’ai parlé de rivales et non de rivaux … comme quoi il y a des automatismes de langage… et la jalousie ;)

Astro-notes a écrit:

Giwa a écrit:

patchfree a écrit:...
Ah si on voit: regarde le petit Nicolas...

Curieux que j’ai parlé de rivales et non de rivaux … comme quoi il y a des automatismes de langage… et la jalousie ;)

Ouf ; cela devient scabreux cette histoire Giwa, vite sort toi de là....