Oriol - Le nouveau vaisseau russe

montmein69 a écrit:Je me permets aussi de rectifier ... ta rectification.

e premier vol avant la fin de l'année c'est la Soyouz 1 (2.1v), pour l'Angara c'est fin 2023...

Je pense que tu as voulu dire fin 2013 ?
Cela veut probablement dire que les tests effectués en vol comme premier étage du lanceur sud-coréen nécessitent de parfaire le produit.

Je ne sais pas si on peut pronostiquer à partir de cela les dates pour les versions Angara 3 cores et Angara 5 cores ..... mais cela se fera sans doute attendre.

patchfree a écrit:[
De mon point de vue les vols de l'A5 ne devraent pas tarder ensuite car il n'y aura rien de compliqué une fois le premier vol de l'Angara réussi.

montmein69 a écrit:Dans le reportage, on voit rapidement des maquettes de la famille Angara.

Il semble se confirmer qu'il faudra l'Angara 5 cores pour le PTS .... ont-ils conclu des essais du core (encore en développement) , que 3 ne seraient pas suffisants ?

nikolai39 a écrit:Au contraire, heureusement que les Russes étaient là, il n'y avait quasiment qu'eux dans la "Space Zone" !
Thales Alenia Space n'était pas là, Astrium est venu sans rien, et aucun sous-traitant européen...

Mais attention, ce design est avant tout destiné à...la maquette du PTS, non au PTS lui-même!

21.08.2012 / 00:05 Experts RKK "Energy" adopted the new ship


Experts approved specifications of the new Russian manned spacecraft, told the president-general designer RSC "Energia" Vitaly Lopota.
In April 2009, the Corporation "Energia" won the tender for the development of conceptual design perspective Russian manned spacecraft.
"There is a stage of technical design. Final decision on the appearance of the spacecraft. It should be such as to fly to the moon in the appropriate complex, including the upper stage, which will provide the opposite return, and the upper stage, which will form the trajectory to the Moon" - said Lopota.
"If we talk about the spacecraft, then it should be able to enter the Earth's atmosphere with the escape velocity, the temperature of the heating surface of the device will be much more than three thousand degrees Celsius. But to derive a space vehicle, for example, for a flight to the Moon we need to be mass was about 20 tons, and the required capacity of the launch vehicle was 120-130 tons, "- said the general designer RSC" Energia ".
According to him, in order for Russia to be competitive, it is necessary to understand that the U.S. is going to create its own manned spacecraft in 2018-2020.
"But Russia with existing technologies can provide only the excretion of 60-70 tons. So this mission, we could carry on dvuhpuskovoy scheme. That is the first start-up - is a spacecraft plus booster, which will provide a return to the Moon's orbit, and the second start output upper stage, which will ensure the formation of the trajectory to the Moon. They will dock in low Earth orbit, "- added Lopota.
Earlier, the head of Roscosmos, Vladimir Popovkin, said that the new Russian manned spacecraft, which can carry out long flights and to go to the Moon, will be created by 2018, but then it will start unmanned test. The new Russian manned spacecraft, which in the future could replace "union", will be able not only to fly to the ISS, and to the moon. Provides for the establishment of several modifications of the ship, intended to be operated at the Earth and lunar orbit, repairing satellites, as well as information from the orbit of the failed satellites and large debris. Manned spacecraft will be a new generation of land ten times more accurate than the "Union" through the use of a parachute-landing rocket system, RIA Novosti reported.

08.28.2012 / 00:05 RKK "Energy" has developed a coating for a new manned spacecraft

RSC "Energia" completed a thermal protection systems and a number of new Russian manned spacecraft, said the president of the corporation, Vitaly Lopota the sidelines of the International Aerospace Congress.
"There is a technical design of the ship. We have no matters to any complex. Already developed covering most of the devices. If the country would order, then we already have than to fly," - said Lopota reporters.
According to him, some of the devices are undergoing flight tests on the spacecraft "Soyuz", RIA Novosti reported.

10.05.2012 / 13:55 Roskosmos said the requirements for new spacecraft

Rocket and Space Corporation (RSC) "energy" continues to work on a project to create a promising manned space transportation system, told reporters the head of RKK "Energy" Vitaly Lopota.
"The project of the new ship is currently at the stage of technical development. Planned that by the end of the year we had to hand over the project, but we have slightly changed the terms of reference", - told reporters Lopota for the festivities in honor of the 55th anniversary of the launch of the first artificial satellite.
In April 2009, the Corporation "Energia" won the tender for the development of conceptual design perspective Russian manned spacecraft. The new ship, which in the future could replace "union", will be able not only to fly to the ISS, and to the moon. Provides for the establishment of several modifications of the ship, intended to be operated at the Earth and lunar orbit, repairing satellites, as well as information from the orbit of the failed satellites and large debris. Manned spacecraft will be a new generation of land ten times more accurate than the "Union" through the use of a parachute-landing rocket system, RIA Novosti reported.

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montmein69 a écrit:Je ne comprends pas les deux lignes en pointillés ... la plus basse avec 200 km et la plus haute avec 100 km ?????

Lopota a également précisé le scénario retenu pour aller vers la lune: 2 lancements, avec arrimage des deux ensembles en orbite.
En effet les russes ne peuvent développer qu'une fusée permettant de lancer 60-70 T avec les technologies actuelles disponibles or il faut en tout 120-130T. Donc il faudra 2 lancements:
1. Le vaisseau lui-même plus le booster pour revenir de l'orbite lunaire
2. l'étage destiné à injecter le tout sur l'orbite lunaire

montmein69 a écrit:OK ... merci pour les précisions linguistiques.

C'est donc un schéma présentant une mission lunaire avec un seul lancement.

Du coup c'est ce scénario qui ne colle pas :scratch:

Lopota a également précisé le scénario retenu pour aller vers la lune: 2 lancements, avec arrimage des deux ensembles en orbite.
En effet les russes ne peuvent développer qu'une fusée permettant de lancer 60-70 T avec les technologies actuelles disponibles or il faut en tout 120-130T. Donc il faudra 2 lancements:
1. Le vaisseau lui-même plus le booster pour revenir de l'orbite lunaire
2. l'étage destiné à injecter le tout sur l'orbite lunaire

Contradiction ou des options non encore arrêtées (ou des schémas anciens et caduques ?)

Ou c'est une mission cargo avec le lanceur 60-70 t sans nécessité d'un étage de propulsion pour le retour ?

16.11.2012 advanced transport ship will be designed to the end of the year

Technical design perspective next-generation transport vehicle (PTC NP) to be completed by the end of 2012, told reporters on Thursday the president of RSC "Energia" Vitaly Lopota.

"I'll try to take it in the old terms, but with the new content," - said V.Lopota.

Technical project PTK NP was due to Roskosmos the end of 2012, but in mid-year space agency changed the technical project, and therefore the RSC "Energia" had it redone. The new date for the technical design for this was set mid-2013.

Earlier, Director General of "TsSKB Progress" Alexander Kirilin "Interfax-AVN," which developed in the "Central Design Bureau Progress" new Russian carrier rocket "Soyuz-2-3" can potentially bring a manned transport ship the new generation (PTK NP) on Earth orbit.

"As for the works to create a carrier rocket" Soyuz-2-3 ", the company released preliminary design. PTK NP Form is not yet defined, are not clear it up completely characteristic, but we believe that the carrier rocket" Soyuz-2-3 " could potentially derive PTK NP into orbit, "- he said.

PTC Partnership will be launched from the Baikonur East, which is built in the Amur region.

patchfree a écrit:
Quant à savoir quelle fusée sera capable de lancer le PTS, on ne sait toujours pas.

Akwa a écrit:

patchfree a écrit:
Quant à savoir quelle fusée sera capable de lancer le PTS, on ne sait toujours pas.

Je croyais que c'était Angara...
C'est vraiment obscur ce programme...

26.11.2012 In the first flight of the new Russian spacecraft lead experienced astronauts

Experienced astronauts can be brought to flight test advanced transport complex of new generation (PTC NP), "Interfax-AVN" Chief Cosmonaut Training Center (CTC) cosmonaut Sergei Krikalev.

"Most likely, it will be experienced astronauts who will be involved in this work," - he said.

According S.Krikaleva, training astronauts to work with the new spacecraft will begin when the "more or less outline his path." Before creating a new ship, he said, is scheduled for the next stage of modernization "Soyuz" (project "Union MS"), which will be tested a number of systems, which then find their application in PTK NP.

"When the new ship will do, I think a lot has been done in the framework of" Soyuz-MS ", will be transferred there," - said the head of the CPC.

He also said that the developers conceptual design PTK NP, turned to astronauts listened to their suggestions to the ship. For example, the astronauts were in favor of greater than this "Union" habitable volume of the new ship, the ability to control them with one or two crew members.



"They discussed the question, should there be a habitation module or not. My point was that with short orbital flights habitation module is not very necessary. This version won" - said S.Krikalev.

On the other hand, the desire to increase the accuracy of the landing ship, was not accepted. "The discussion was attended by the then astronauts different groups of astronauts - CPC and RSC" Energia ". Something of our proposal is accepted, something is taken. Requirements ship assembled from many sources," - he said.