Oriol - Le nouveau vaisseau russe

26.11.2012 In the first flight of the new Russian spacecraft lead experienced astronauts

Experienced astronauts can be brought to flight test advanced transport complex of new generation (PTC NP), "Interfax-AVN" Chief Cosmonaut Training Center (CTC) cosmonaut Sergei Krikalev.

"Most likely, it will be experienced astronauts who will be involved in this work," - he said.

According S.Krikaleva, training astronauts to work with the new spacecraft will begin when the "more or less outline his path." Before creating a new ship, he said, is scheduled for the next stage of modernization "Soyuz" (project "Union MS"), which will be tested a number of systems, which then find their application in PTK NP.

"When the new ship will do, I think a lot has been done in the framework of" Soyuz-MS ", will be transferred there," - said the head of the CPC.

He also said that the developers conceptual design PTK NP, turned to astronauts listened to their suggestions to the ship. For example, the astronauts were in favor of greater than this "Union" habitable volume of the new ship, the ability to control them with one or two crew members.



"They discussed the question, should there be a habitation module or not. My point was that with short orbital flights habitation module is not very necessary. This version won" - said S.Krikalev.

On the other hand, the desire to increase the accuracy of the landing ship, was not accepted. "The discussion was attended by the then astronauts different groups of astronauts - CPC and RSC" Energia ". Something of our proposal is accepted, something is taken. Requirements ship assembled from many sources," - he said.

patchfree a écrit:. La prochaine étape de modernisation du soyouz (Soyouz MS) fera partie de cette conception puisque nombre des dispositifs intégreront directement le PTS.

montmein69 a écrit:

patchfree a écrit:. La prochaine étape de modernisation du soyouz (Soyouz MS) fera partie de cette conception puisque nombre des dispositifs intégreront directement le PTS.

Donc il vont encore faire évoluer la capsule Soyouz en une nouvelle version Soyouz MS ?
Elle a encore de beaux jours devant elle .... pour ce qui est des vols en LEO.

patchfree a écrit:Pour le MS il s'agit de l'introduction du GPS/Glonass dans la gestion de la trajectoire du soyouz.

"News", dated January 21, 2013. We were forced to reconsider the entire project mission to the moon

Chief designer of manned systems RSC "Energia" Nicholas Bryukhanov - creating a new interplanetary spacecraft

Nicholas Albertovich Bryukhanov

February 1 Scientific and Technical Council of the Federal Space Agency
plans to review the draft of manned spacecraft, which in the long term,
in 7-8 years, will replace the current "union."
The fate of the ship of the new generation are not simple: the finished
sketch plan had to finish with the increased demands - from transport
to fly into Earth orbit had to create a spaceship that can carry
astronauts to the moon.
That was the result, the correspondent of "Izvestia" said chief
designer of manned systems Rocket and Space Corporation (RSC) "Energy"
Nicholas Bryukhanov.
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Nicholas Albertovich what additions had to be made ​​in the project due
to the fact that last year, it was decided to prepare a manned
expedition to the moon?
- Change in the terms of reference was in April last year.
It was at first small, but in fact turned over all the things that
we've done in the job of the ship, which was developed by us in 2010. First, change the speed of entry into the atmosphere: the return to the Moon is the second ship of the comic speed.
In the previous configuration - for the orbiter - the calculations were
made for a velocity of 8 km / s, and now we need to count on the 11 km /
s.

Huge difference: it turns out that the machine will have two times more
kinetic energy than the one that comes back to Earth orbit. All of this energy is converted into heat. Quite another to be heat shield.
Therefore, all the efforts we spent primarily on the development of
thermal protection in the development of the former conceptual design
were insufficient.
The problem is, that after the closure of the "Buran", that is, for
more than 20 years, we have research in the field of thermal insulation
has been conducted, no progress in this direction was not. We had to do in a short time to spend research and development, way, which many countries are decades. We had a job, getting positive results during experiments in wind tunnels and on the plasma torches. Now we have to get a confirmation of our decisions at a higher level.
In second place is worth of ballistics - is a Herculean task in relation to the moon. Our country is far from the equator and from the point of view of removal of payloads is not profitable. More unfortunate our geography in terms of return from the moon.
To return the machine to get to the Russian landfills landing big
enough energy needed for small and rarely get "windows" for the start of
the orbit of the moon.
- Where in Russia are planned landfill landing?
- Landfills are intended to land in southern Russia.
Return to the Moon's orbit is via the South Pole and the equator the
higher the need to put the ship, the more difficult this task.
Superimposed and time limit - by changing the position of the moon
relative to the Earth "window" to return to the moon are rather rare.
But at the same time you need to provide all kinds of emergency
situations: for example, if you have to return the crew to Earth for
health reasons. You must be able to do it at any time. And if we have the rare 'window' return, the security, however. Therefore, in any given propulsion system must be able to give impetus enough to return to Earth.
But if the ships, flying in low Earth orbit, the necessary impetus to
hundreds of meters per second, for a lunar vehicle is much greater
magnitude.
Our goal - to be able to give impetus to the ship propulsion at 1.5 km / sec. It was hard, but we have proposed a scheme of flight, which can solve the problem of an emergency return to Earth. Ship's engine room has increased slightly in volume, so there we have to be about 8 tons of fuel.
And the rest remain the same concept: a reusable reentry vehicle,
landing on the shock absorbers that is, without tumbling, characteristic
of the "Union."
- The appearance of the ship, too, had to be revised?
- No, the appearance has not changed much.
Maybe it would cost to change, but the fact is that at the stage of
technical proposals and conceptual design, we spent a lot of research
and experimental work, did a lot of aerodynamic purging, which involved
three: TsAGI TSNIIMASH, Novosibirsk Branch of RAS . Amount of money was spent on it, and a huge amount of work performed. And if we now change the appearance, then we would have to do it all over again to do. And it's not only money but also time. In vain would have been the work we have done for almost four years. Therefore, we decided to leave the re-entry vehicle in the same form in which it was. Inside there is a change, the meaning of which is that instead of six seats in the vehicle is four. If necessary, you can put two chairs and return to Earth to six people.
- Whether to take into account the priority areas on the moon in terms of scientific research?
- The terms of reference there is a certain ambiguity: it is necessary to fly to the moon. And what it means to fly to the moon? Which orbit around the moon? A polar or equatorial? There is no particular problem. We took the most difficult to solve - polar orbit. Because if we go into a polar orbit, in future be able to sit anywhere in the Moon. If we are flying back to the equatorial orbit, we can only sit at the equator. In addition, the polar regions of the moon are of most interest to scientists. Therefore, we took the most universal path that provides the solution of various problems.
- The projected ship equipment has changed significantly?
- A number of nuances changed: Radio should be different, as long range.
Life support system must also be based on other principles, because it
is one thing when the astronauts fly to the space station and it takes
up two days. It's quite another when you plan to fly to the moon.
System reliability should be higher, because the same ISS we are always
almost go back, and the flight from the moon takes three and a half
days. Also, there are questions about the temperature control system, power supply and other areas. In fact, we had to review the entire project, remodel almost everything that was done in 2011 and early 2012. How we did it - prompt, but, in my opinion, failed.
- When ideally you can come up with a new ship to the stage of flight tests?
- It's hard to say. Scheme adopted today includes work on projects stages. Upon completion of each competition is announced a new phase. Rhythm of the process and the amount of funding depends terms.
Now comes the most expensive stage: as soon as the design documentation
is released, we'll have to do research facilities, including pilot
boats - for airborne discharges, to start up on rockets for testing
systems bailout and so on. This is the most expensive stage in the making. And if money will flow thin stream, that is, the creation process can drag on for decades. But if we do not want to lag behind the other space powers, we need to make the ship to fly unmanned at least 2018.

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"The face of the new ship is accepted, but the ship itself, without a number of projects. Remaining parts of the technical design (prospective manned transportation system) yet is not possible, since it is not defined, what will be the launch vehicle," - said Lopota.

According to him, a booster with a working title of "Cupid" for forward-looking transport system planned to be based missiles "Angara". "But at the moment the new missile" Cupid "no, its performance either. Therefore, the remaining part of the Technical Proposal (prospective transport system) can not yet realize. Wait missile" - said Lopota

02/01/2013.
Scientific and Technical Council RSC "Energia": materials engineering design prospective manned transportation system meets the requirements of the Customer

Rocket and Space Corporation "Energia" after SP Queen of the meeting of the Scientific and Technical Council (STC) of the Corporation, which reviewed the main results of the first phase of the technical design perspective manned transport system, made by the Corporation in accordance c technical requirements of the Federal Space Agency (Roskosmos).

Meeting was chaired by the chairman of the NTS, First Deputy General Designer of RSC "Energia" Academician VP Legostaev.

The work of the Council was attended by President of the Corporation, General Designer VA Lopota, representatives of the Russian Space Agency, Central Research Institute of Machine Building, managers, scientists and corporations, businesses and organizations participating in the project development.

Participants of the meeting heard a statement by the President of the Corporation, General Designer VA Lopota and reports of the First Deputy General Designer, chief designer of the manned space complexes NA Bryukhanova, chief technologist for Machine Building Plant RSC "Energia" SY Shachneff, Deputy General Designer AG Derechina.

Speakers presented the main technical and innovative solutions for manned spacecraft, launch vehicles, tools, inter-orbital transfer, the ascent unit, as well as technology of manned transport spacecraft (TAP).

Were presented shape manned space complex (PAC), the general timetable for the creation, development and results of the technical and economic performance of the technical project. Were also provided data on the experimental testing, availability of production base to manufacture and ship the competitiveness of the project.

NTS, noting that the materials meet the requirements of the technical design specification of the customer, recommended to send the materials to the examination in the parent institution of the Customer - Central Research Institute of Machine Building.

montmein69 a écrit:Le lanceur Amour aura 3 cores ou 5 cores ?
Ou bien y aura t'il à la fois un Amour-3 pour l'orbite terrestre et un Amour-5 pour des missions lunaires ?

Il reste pas mal de choses encore à préciser .....

13/02/2013
At the same time Lopota noted that developed in Russia for long-term transport vehicle (PTC) has no booster. CEO said that in late January, the ship was considered a project on scientific and technical council of "energy." "At present, the project was transferred to the Federal Space Agency. His review should take place within the month. Federal Space Agency requested in turn to organize it by the TsNIIMASH ", - he said.

"However, the launch vehicle for this ship yet - continued Lopota. - The terms of reference for the project to remove the ship provides booster "Cupid" to be set up on the basis of one of the variants of PH "Angara", which is not, and its the first option - rocket light class - created about 20 years of age " .

"Last year, we proposed a cost-effective and energy-booster super-heavy, evolutionary developing rocket technology," Energy ", which has flight qualified and saved thanks to the" Sea Launch ", - informed the general designer. - But while more than talk is not gone. "

Replying to a question, to which he will create PTC, president of the corporation said that with adequate funding RSC "Energia" will do everything to the ship was ready in 2017.
Lopota also said that to begin flight testing of PTC in the automatic mode in 2017 is possible with the use of a carrier rocket "Zenith", as it demonstrates sufficient reliability and "other boosters to solve this problem in the near future is not expected."

Spoiler:

Spoiler:

We were told that will launch "Amur", which should be after "Hangars", while the "Angara" is not a very effective launch and it has yet to fly,

patchfree a écrit:pour votre gouverne personnelle le terme "Hangars" correspond...mais oui bien sûr à l'(h)Angar(a) ! C'est juste un problème d etraduction automatique du nom de la fusée.
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We were told that will launch "Amur", which should be after "Hangars", while the "Angara" is not a very effective launch and it's still not flying

patchfree a écrit:Et aussi 2 autres photos montrant le concept des nouveaux sièges pour le PTS

3/29/2013 technical expertise of the new ship will complete the project in a few months

Technical assessment of the project of the Russian manned transport spacecraft new generation will be completed within the next few months, told journalists on Friday the president - general designer RSC "Energia" (company-developer of the new ship) Vitaly Lopota.

"We have completed the technical design phase of manned transport spacecraft of new generation. Currently performing stage examination", - said Lopota.

"Within a few months, will be completed examination and the project will enter into the next stage - the detailed design and construction of the first prototype (new ship)," - he added.

Earlier, the head of Roscosmos, Vladimir Popovkin, said that the new Russian manned spacecraft, which can carry out long flights and to go to the Moon, will be created by 2018, but then it will start unmanned test. The new ship, which in the future could replace "union", will be able not only to fly to the ISS, and to the moon.

Provides for the establishment of several modifications of the ship, intended to be operated at the Earth and lunar orbit, repairing satellites, as well as information from the orbit of the failed satellites and large debris. Manned spacecraft will be a new generation of land ten times more accurate than the "Union" through the use of a parachute-landing rocket system, RIA Novosti reported.

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